This one’s been a long time coming. After a few reschedules, I finally had the pleasure of chatting with Michele Nieberding, and we went straight into the deep end of AI agents, the chaos of MCPs, and why marketers need to stop slapping "AI" on triggers and calling it innovation. We covered everything from Salesforce’s latest moves to why Aampe might just be the next unicorn in Martech.

Michele shares how product marketers are finding their way in the new wave of agentic thinking, what companies are getting wrong about AI observability, and her predictions on who’s